Hat tip Creeping Sharia and Blazing Cat Fur
The below video shows what happened to a driver as he cruised past a Dearborn, Michigan high school flying Israeli flags on his vehicle. It pretty much speaks for itself.
For the benefit of all you UC Santa Cruz Community Studies and History of Consciousness majors, Dearborn, near Detroit, has the largest Arab community in the US. Not only did the driver attract the attention of the kids, but the school principal and the cops as well.
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/video-israeli-flags-are-now-incitement-in-dearbornistan/
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Wow Gary.
A high school kid threw soda at the windshield of a 42 year old guy driving around their school and video taping children.
This is why we must keep capital punishment legal.
I'll bet where you come from showing the Israeli flag would be a capital offense.
Don't you ask yourself why a couple of Israeli flags attached a to a vehicle is cause to bring out the principal and police in Dearborn?
I'm a bit more worried about a 42 year old man circling a high school with a video camera and taping children than with a dirty windshield.
How would you feel if someone drove around a Jewish school with Nazi Swastika flags?
Those flags remind them why they fear the night Gary.
The intelligence of those whose parents are first cousins.
Anonymous,
Excuse me. How do you compare a Nazi swastika flag with an Israeli flag?
The other Anonymous is hurting his own case here by bringing up Nazis and whatnot, but there is something to consider in his point.
What would you say if I simply told you that there was a middle aged guy who kept circling a school while video taping children? Would you demand greater context, or would you think that there's something wrong with the guy?
This guy doesn't do the pro-Israeli side any favors with his creepy behavior.
. How do you compare a Nazi swastika flag with an Israeli flag?
Its in the eye of the beholder, Gary. We're talking about a guy who deliberately provoked a confrontation, something he had every legal and constitutional right to do, and others had every legal and constitutional right to express their disapproval.
You may love Israel, and I have a more nuanced view of it, but to many from the middle east, Israel is The Enemy, an affront, an insult, and not without reason.
Before the massive post-WW II wave of Jewish immigration from Europe, the Arabic-speaking people now called Palestinian were among the best-educated, most cultured, and prosperous people in the region. Now a tremendous portion of them are confined in refugee camps.
You and I and Findalis, and probably Lance, know that this is in large part due to armies of much less educated and less cultured soldiers sent by effete monarchies in a naked power grab, as well as the inept policies of the last British administration, not to mention the deliberate policy, by Arab governments, of keeping refugees in camps, rather than letting them rebuild their lives, all for venal propaganda purposes.
BUT, it wouldn't have happened without the massive Jewish influx, and Israel now sits on most of the land that was in contention, so it is not without reason that Palestinians and Lebanese and Jordanians react with a similar emotional outrage to display of an Israeli flag that most of us would react to display of a Nazi flag.
All in all, I would consider what happened to this guy small stuff. His outraged reaction reminds me of that whiny young lady in the video you posted, of the rabble that interrupted the concert by the Israeli orchestra. If you're going to indulge in such antics, don't scream with outrage when someone tries to throw you out, and expect to be taken seriously.
The man in Dearborn didn't commit a criminal violation, just a provocative act. But he has no reason to scream with outrage.
Anonymous,
WOW!
The Nazis in Poland set up death camps for Jews and conducted mass murders-first by firing squad then by gas chambers. The Israelis have not done that. Nor does Israel segregate people within their society like SA did. Your comparison of Judaism and Nazism is boffo. You should be embarrassed at your own stupidity.
On second thought, I guess you are. That's why you remain anonymous.
703,
You have a point, but I have seen right here on the UC Irvine campus that identifying yourself with Israel can subject one to insults and intimidation-sometimes physical. That is also unacceptable.
Gary I did not say that I necessarily feel that Israel's occupation of the Palestinians is equivalent to that of the German occupation of Poland. I said that many Arabs feel that way.
Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Aziz Prahad, and others who have lived under apartheid however have stated that Israel's policies are equal to or worse than those of South Africa (which was best friends with Israel).
And ideologically Judaism and Nazism are very similar. Moses and Hitler were essentially the same person, just thousands of years apart.
"And ideologically Judaism and Nazism are very similar. Moses and Hitler were essentially the same person, just thousands of years apart."
Wow again!
Many Arabs also believe that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an authentic documentary. Mein Kampf is still a best seller in the Middle East.
And anti-Semitism is still a staple in the Arab world.
""the character of Moses, as stated in the Bible, is the most horrid that can be imagined"
- Thomas Paine, American Founding Father
Hitler was about 150 years away when Paine wrote this.
Judaism and Nazism are ideological twins; two peas in one pod.
I also don't think most Arabs are "anti-Semitic". Most Arabs may be anti-Jewish, but unlike the Nazi's Arabs don't believe the Jews are Semites who are polluting the Aryan race.
Plus Arabs have way more Semitic blood than Jews anyway, and appear more Middle Eastern physically and culturally.
Anonymous,
What you wrote sounds like the ravings of a mad man.
Taken literally, the holy scriptures of Judaism can be compared to Nazism as they call for both genocide and "lebensraum" but you might consider Joshua to be a better analogue to Hitler than Moses, if you're going to go there (which I don't think you should).
However, Jewish people today do not take those parts to be literal calls to war. Even the fundamentalist, literalist Jews don't do that, so the other Anonymous's comparison is silly at best, tasteless at worst.
Oddly enough, the other Anonymous is a good example of somebody who hurts his own point, just like the guy who drove around the school with a camera.
Is it typical for you to resort to name calling and ad-hominem attacks when you are running low on arguments Gary?
Only when someone writes like a mad man.
Fundamentalist, literalist Jews DO claim a right to lebensraum... So far, they aren't the ones calling the shots, but they are entrenched enough that Israeli governments are afraid to remove them from land where they don't belong.
This certainly isn't the dream that Theodore Herzel expounded, or that the early kibbutzim offered. Bottom line, Israel and the Israelis aren't going anywhere, and the Arabic speaking peoples will have to get used to that. Likewise, the Palestinians aren't going away, and Israel will have to get used to them building their own state and economy.
Its too bad Israel didn't offer to implement the 1948 UN resolutions in 1967. After all, it was Jordan and Egypt that originally seized land designated for an Arab Palestinian state.
Straw man, Gary, straw man.
I'm not sure Anony Mouse thinks Israel is morally equivalent to Nazi Germany, but the point I'm arguing (I use a consistent nom de plume, even if its not the name on my published contributions to reference works) is that to many people, for reasons that seem good to them, and are rationally plausible, the Israeli flag is AS OFFENSIVE to them as the Nazi flag is to Jews, or to you, or to me...
If a vigorous response from the leading nations of the world had stopped Hitler marching into the Ruhr, he would have done a lot less damage, but his intentions, and his impact on those people he COULD get his hands on, would have been no less evil.
If we go back to the 1947 UN partition resolution, the biggest violators were indeed Jordan and Egypt, who annexed all the land from the Former British Mandate of Palestine that Israel had not kept out of the hands of invading (mostly non-Palestinian) armies.
Israel could have capitalized on that in 1967, and presented itself as the protector of its Palestinian neighbors from the big bad Arab land-grabbers. But nobody thought of that at the time. I'm speaking with 20/20 hindsight.
So, there is no land outside of Israeli occupation (except Gaza, which is merely under partial siege), that anyone owes the Palestinians.
Findalis and I did agree once that countries that expelled their long-established Jewish populations might take in a certain number of Palestinians in exchange, since the expulsion increased the pressure for more land for Jews to live on.
Didn't Israel accept the UN plan while the Arab world rejected it and invaded?
Too bad if some folks are offended in the US by the Israeli flag. Israel is an ally of the US. They need to deal with it.
Of course, Gary. That's exactly what I said. At that time, there was a big difference between "the Arab world" and "the Palestinian Arabs." Leon Uris' novel, The Hajj details rather well both the tension between Jewish and Arab neighbors, and the cynical manner that surrounding Arab monarchies manipulated the situation.
But that doesn't ease the pain of people whose families have been in refugee camps for four generations, who may direct their emotions against the power that is now top dog.
I admit to being amused by a cartoon showing Moshe Dayan driving a tank with a banner reading "We want lebensraum," and a National Lampoon parody, "I'm a defense minister... did you ever try to win three wars in a row and still keep your image as the underdog?"
And I wasn't even suffering the results.
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