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Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Omar Shakir Speaks at UC Irvine- Day 3


On May 8, law student and activist Omar Shakir spoke at UC Irvine as part of the Muslim Student Union’s Israel Apartheid week. His topic by coincidence was a comparison of South African apartheid to the situation in Israel.

To make his case, Shakir quoted a number of statements by various individuals including South Africans comparing Israel to apartheid South Africa (Desmond Tutu, for example). He talked about the lack of protection under Israeli laws of Palestinians living in the West Bank. He stated that they held no control over their air space as a sovereign nation would and described their inability to travel freely due to the numerous checkpoints.

Shakir, in referring to Gaza, said that The Israelis left and pulled their settlers in order to “optimize their control.”  As for East Jerusalem,  he told the audience that Palestinians there did not hold Israeli citizenship, rather a form of temporary residence. He insisted that the Israel situation is apartheid (his emphasis). He further stated that the Jewish state systematically discriminates against non-Jews.

Other points:

91% of land in Israel cannot be sold to non-Jews.

Racial biases are not written into law but exist de facto.

Some 40 villages in Israel are not recognized therefore don’t receive basic services such as water or sewage.

Palestinians marrying Israelis are not entitled to citizenship, unlike other nationalities.

Jews in other countries can come to live in Israel, but there is no right of return for Palestinians.

Shakir also described the checkpoints located mostly between the Green Line (Israel proper) and Palestinian villages in the West Bank (“occupied territories”.) He also pointed out that the Israeli wall often wanders across the Green line. He also mentioned curfews and home demolitions.

Shakir also went into a history of the formation of South Africa by the Boers making parallels with Israel. Both, he said, considered themselves as people threatened by other peoples (black South Africans and Palestinians respectively).

Shakir also pointed out some minor differences in that Israel, for example, does not engage in petty apartheid practices, such as separate water fountains.

In his closing, Shakir asked what we can all do (non-Israelis/non

Palestinians). The simple answer was to support the Boycott, Divest and Sanctions movement. He did, however, state that the Olive Tree Initiative was ignoring the power dynamics and thought that everything would be alright if we all sang Kumbaya.

Shakir is a good speaker and comes across as reasonable. I don’t have the facts to dispute many of his statements. Of course, it was one-sided and all but ignored the Israeli justification for check-points and walls. There was no mention of Hamas or Hezbollah. He did say, however. That it is not for other peoples to decide on the solution (one state or two). That was for the Israelis and the Palestinians.




11 comments:

Miggie said...

You can tell the students anything about the circumstances in Israel. Here is just one example of what the Israelis have to live with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cB8mLyta1k

After getting extensive (free) treatment in Israel, this Arab tries to blow up the hospital! They complain about checkpoints? If there were no attacks, there would be no checkpoints!
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Anonymous said...

While I applaud that he and others seek to use non-violence to try to bring about a resolution to the conflict, I cannot support the BDS movement unless it clearly states its goals is a two state for two people solution and will remove the sanctions and boycotts if some goal is met.

What does he and others who support it hope to achieve with a boycott and sanctions?

Many BDS supporters want to push for a one state solution or demand a right of return of the loosely defined 5 million or so refugees into Israel, which means no more Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people.

The BDS movement deliberately leaves out its goals IMO.

If the BDS movement stated goal was to create a homeland for the Palestinian people that will peacefully co-exist with Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people, is a tool to motivate Israel to negotiate based upon the 1967 borders with land swaps, to reach for a negotiated settlement where East Jerusalem will be part of the Palestinian state, and where refugees will compensated so they can return to the Palestinian state, I’d be down with it.

But I haven’t seen it presented anywhere near something like that.

I am not for an open ended single out Israel for sanctions and divestment and boycotts (especially academic boycotts – I am against academic boycotts whatever the motivation. Academic research shouldn't be a poltical football).

In the end I see the BDS movement is more of an excuse for many to demonize Israel. Or to make people feel good about themselves while they actually do nothing productive.

The truth is that for there to be peace the two sides have to negotiate a deal.

The people of both states have to show their leaders they are ready to sacrifice to make peace.

The BDS movement supporters who single out and demonize Israel don’t help with any of that. Israel is far from perfect and its fine to point out its flaws. Many in Israel already do that. To their credit they have many human rights groups that watch everything Israel does and write about it.

If Shahik wants to provide constructive criticism of Israel that is fine. But if he is an activist that wants peace he will need to prepare Palestinian supporters that all their demands for an ideal resolution may need be able to be met. That some demands may need to be sacrificed and compromised for peace, so the Palestinian leaders know that when they negotiate that the Palestinian supporters will support the leaders and the people will accept a deal that might not meet all the demands they would think is ideal.

Seeing the mindset of the guys the MSU has invited to speak this week - like Ben White (supports one state solution) and Malik Ali -it doesn’t give me much hope that the MSU is sincerely interested or prepared for what will be needed to be sacraficed for peace. See the end of Malik Ali’s talk.

I’ll keep an eye out on youtube to see if someone posted his talk on there. I’d be interested in seeing it.

Anonymous said...

regarding 91% of the land cannot be sold to Arabs - It isn't that simple.

http://www.meforum.org/370/can-arabs-buy-land-in-israel

the marriage law was a bad law.

Israel cannot accept the right of return of 4 or 5 million Palestinian refugees. It will destroy the Jewish character of the state.

Anonymous said...

I don't know enough about Stand With Us to know if I support them as an organization or not. I am for a two state two people solution along the Clinton Parameters.

In any case, I think they did produce a pretty good video on the BDS movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifZLk6Ei9-U

Anonymous said...

Since a couple of the speakers promoted BDS, I was wondering..did any of the speakers bring up UC Irvine agreeing to a colaberation with Israeli universities?

Some people hype up BDS but there has been little support of it. Finkelstein has even called the BDS movement a cult.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/irvine-350871-israel-israeli.html

Like any good cult members, I am guessing the UC Irvine deal will cause these folks to say the agreement is another exmaple of the university system suppressing Palestinian voices from being heard on the UC campuses. It is all caused by corporate greed and the military industrial complex. We are living in a corrupt times blah blah blah.

Gary Fouse said...

That was brought up and Drake was condemned for doing it. Someone
mentioned that Oren should debate with that great expert Finkelstein. I had to hold my laughter.

Miggie said...

Speaking of losing support:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/08/us-palestinians-israel-fayyad-idUSBRE8470WM20120508

The Hamas Prime Minister acknowledged they lost the argument. One other paragraph in the article is telling.

"The Palestinians had planned for foreign aid of about $1.1 billion in 2011, but received just under $750 million and are lagging again in donations this year. No reason has been given for the failure of some Arab allies to honor their pledges."

Siarlys Jenkins said...

The factual points this man makes sound accurate, in light of other news coverage over the past twenty years. At least, many of the problems he points to are real. The fact that various terrorists and neighboring Arab-speaking civilians threaten Jewish residents does not justify any of these conditions. These are not security measures, merely prejudice under color of law.

However, they do not add up to apartheid. It would take a medium length article to catalog the differences, but apartheid would involve setting aside Palestinian "homelands" within Israel as official government policy, and forcing thoroughly integrated Palestinian populations to leave their homes and move into the Bantustans.

Anonymous said...

Wikipedia seems to do a pretty through job of the supposed Israeli Apartheid issue. They give both the arguments for and against, but I don't see how anybody could read the whole thing and think that the word "apartheid" is an apt one - even if he or she still had objections to the way Israel does things.

Anonymous said...

Forgot the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy

Miggie said...

Many people begin with the assertion that the West Bank is "occupied" territory. I don't. Here is why.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-illegal-settlements-myth/

You have to do certain things to establish sovereignty as all other countries have done. Israel has done all those and the Palestinians haven't done any of them.