Atlas Shrugs
As Israelis bury four dead civilians, 2 men, two women and an unborn child, the noble Palestinians are dancing in the streets over Hamas' "great military" victory.
Gaza (Fox News)
Not only did the Hamas terrorists ambush the four civilians in their car, they dragged them out and pumped bullets into their heads to make sure they were dead before making their "daring get-a-way".
And thousands of Palestinians dance in the streets-just as they danced in the streets on 9-11.
These are the friends of British buffoon George Galloway and his Viva Palestina band of radical fools. These are the same people that fools like Jimmy Carter think we should negotiate with. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who wants to build a mosque near Ground Zero, also thinks we should negotiate with Hamas. Imam Mahdi Bray openly supports Hamas.
Good luck with those "peace negotiations" in Washington.
21 comments:
Yep, all the Palestinians were dancing in the streets, one big celebration. They are, after all, a monolithic bloc, with a hive mind.
Oh and the people killed were Israeli settlers. I'm not saying that that justifies the Hamas action. It doesn't. But it makes the victims not exactly 100% innocent, either. Being a settler is in and of itself a provocative act that is asking for trouble. But you've conveniently left out that fact.
thousands in fact were celebrating, just as they did on 9-11
I remember that video, too. Are you sure there were, in fact, thousands?
Three thousand is the figure I heard.
It is interesting that no one take note of the fact that about 20% of the Israelis are Arabs, including Muslims. They have every right and entitlement of other Israeli citizens. On the other hand, one Jew is not allowed to live on land claimed by the Palestinians. Certainly not live in peace and free from threat of harm. If the Jews could live in the Arab territory just as the Arabs live in Jewish territory, there wouldn't be such a hassle over borders and right of return, etc. That asymmetry is ignored.
I've been to Israel and have seen the Arab refugees that try to sneak in to get away from where ever they come from. The Israelis have to take them in because if they were caught by the Egyptian border guards they would be shot... especially if they didn't have enough money to bribe them.
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Three thousand out of (if Wikipedia is correct) three million? That's a whopping .001% of the population!
I wasn't going to respond to this one, except for your closing line "Good luck with the peace negotations in Washington."
It is well known that Hamas will not be a party to those peace negotiations. There is a reason for that. If peace negotiations are successful, Hamas will be marginalized, and their political raison d'etre will vanish. If a peaceful, prosperous Palestinian state emerges in the west bank, with a growing economy, the incentive for anyone to volunteer as a suicide bomber will dry up. Residents of Gaza will question whether following Hamas is the shortest route to heaven, or even prosperity -- even if Hamas does keep some nice restaurants open.
Further, as you have acknowledged in previous posts, Hamas pulls off isolated acts of terror like this with the specific intent of derailing peace negotiations.
Your coverage then, is rewarding Hamas for this act of terror, by giving them precisely the result they seek.
Incidentally, if 3000 people were dancing in the streets after 9/11, that is about the same number of people who you estimate showed up for Al Sharpton's counterparty to Glenn Beck's party for himself. Even given the differences in magnitude between the population of the USA and the population of the Palestinian territories, both are rather insignificant measures of dominant public opinion.
You can't tell much from what you see on TV. A conservative American businessman who was in Bulgaria in the early 1980s commented that CNN could make a soccer game out to be a national uprising.
Gary, even if your figure of 3,000 were accurate (which I personally doubt since you will probably not be able to cite a source for it), that would still only be about 0.0007% of the Palestinian population. Not even one one-THOUSANDTH of a percent! That's not even statistically significant.
Siarlys,
And you call my arguments convoluted? I know you are a bus driver in Milwaukee, but damned if I ever get on your bus. I'd wind up in Chicago-by way of Minneapolis.
Anonymous,
My source was Joanthan Medved (brother of Michael Medved) who lives in Israel. Oh and that picture? Why, don't pay it any attention.
Siarlys,
The figure of 3,000 was this week-not on 9-11.
As for your speculations about the peace negotiations, I would love to see it all come to pass. However, I live in the real world.
The attack this week in the W Bank showed that Hamas can do whatever it wants in the W Bank as well as Gaza.
Forgive me for not trusting a far-right pundit as a reliable source on the matter.
Oh and you've ignored the main point of my post, which I see Lance and Siarlys also made: even if we accept your 3000 number, that is such a tiny tiny fraction of the Palestinian population as to not even be statistically significant. Maybe you can ignore that point yet again?
Who is the far-right pundit? I was quoting his brother, Johnathan. Is he far-right too?
As for your fractions, were there any crowds of Americans gathered on 9-11 in celebration-of say 3,000?
Where can you find a crowd of 3,000 to get together and celebrate the massacre of 4 innocents?
Ah yes, I remember when those jewish seminary students were killed by terrorists as well. Big celebrations in Gaza on that day too.
Get out your calculator.
To borrow from Lance a bit, how OBTUSE can you possibly be???
The point is that percentage-wise, the people celebrating are clearly in such a tiny, miniscule, microscopic, minority that it's not even significant and obviously doesn't reflect the attitudes of the VAST MAJORITY (99.9993%, to be exact) of Palestinians, yet you keep trying to paint them all with the same brush and it's offensive.
Gary, you're completely missing the point. I don't think that any one of us would deny that there's something really wrong with those crowds of people who would celebrate such a thing. The point is that you're using a mighty wide brush there, and not taking into account the fact that those celebrations are not necessarily indicative of how most Palestinians feel.
"...how most Palestinians feel."
You tell me, Lance. How do most Palestinians feel?
BTW: I respeonded on a simailr post that I am talking about thousands of Palestinians who celebrated the massacre in hebron and 9-11. I never said all, but what about the rest of them? Where the Palestinian outrage? Show me some "Not in my name" demonstrations.
Gary, you should get a job as a route planner for the company I used to drive for. Its paratransit, so its door to door service, not fixed routes. We got some very convoluted manifests. I remember the young man I picked up at a day program, who lived five minutes away, but I had been assigned a sheet telling me to drive to a hospital ten miles away, and get him home two hours later.
Good drivers know to do the obvious: take him home in five minutes, then drive the ten minutes. I have a sense that you have come up with a convoluted argument about why we should give up on peace talks because Hamas killed some people to derail the peace talks and we don't want to reward Hamas. And you call ME convoluted? I had to draw a straight line through the dots you connected in broad zig-zags and spirals.
I didn't say we should not have the negotiations with the PA. I said, "Good luck".
"Gary Fouse endorses going ahead with Israel - Palestine peace talks. Its the only way to send a message to Hamas that we will not be deterred by vicious outbursts of mindless terrorism" says Orange County conservative. "Good luck to all the political leaders and diplomats engaged in this difficult but essential task."
Did I understand you correctly?
Siarlys,
Can I close my mouth now, or do you have more words to put in said mouth?
I think you have been reading my words long enough to know what I meant when I said, "Good luck on those peace talks".
Actually, if they do sign a pact, give the West bank to a truly peaceful PA, call it Palestine, and the PA and Israel stand together to defeat Hamas because Hamas will react against the PA and call for the death of Abbas, and they all live in peace ever after, that will be peachy keen with me.
But I am skeptical, that's why I said, "Good luck".
I'll take that as a back-handed, somewhat defensive, affirmative. The original "good luck" statement strongly implied that peace negotiations with the PA are impossible while Hamas is killing innocent civilians. I'm glad to know that was a misreading.
Can I close my mouth now, or do you have more words to put in said mouth?
Man...welcome to how I feel almost all the time on this blog.
But with that said, I think that Siarlys was using actual satire. You know, the real thing - not what people like Ann Coulter do.
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