Friday, January 4, 2013

The Fantasies of Nihad Awad

Hat tip Daily Caller

Coming on the heels of Al Gore's sale of Current TV to Al Jazeera, this latest bit by Daily Caller is quite timely. Nihad Awad, the CEO of the unindicted co-conspirator organization CAIR, has told a Saudi interviewer that Muslims actually discovered America first.

Of course, this would fit in perfectly with the extremist Islamic doctrine that anywhere Muslims tread must be once again Islamic land-Spain, for example. And make no mistake, the CAIR types are extremists no matter what their protestations to the contrary.

“Some documents and accounts indicate that Muslim seafarers were the first to reach the U.S., [so] the bottom line is that Islam played a part in the establishment and development of the U.S.,” Awad told the Saudi interviewer, in an interview in a New York studio.

  Document number 173

And so goes the reasoning in Awad's fevered mind that America must (once again) be Islamic. The guy sounds like he's been smoking his underwear.

What's next, Awad-Neil Armstrong was a Muslim?

At least Awad cannot claim to have invented the Internet. Everybody knows that was Al Gore. In fact, that was first reported on Al Jazeera.


Findalis said...

Evidence for the Vikings in America before Columbus has been discovered by trained archeologists. L'Anse aux Meadows

But will someone show me the proof that Muslims arrived here before Columbus. A book written in the 1700's does not count!

Siarlys Jenkins said...

If you remember Findalis, another thread fit into the notion that Norway and Sweden are overwhelmingly Jewish, thus the bias toward giving Nobel prizes to Jews. Since Jews and Arabs are both of Semitic origin, it stands to reason that some of the Vikings could have been Muslim too! But then we don't know whether it was Jewish Vikings or Muslim Vikings who first discovered America.

Actually, as far as the inhabitants who crossed the Bering land bridge are concerned, everyone else was a latecomer. Needless to say, they predated Muhammed by at least 10,600 years, possibly 30,000.

The best that can be done historically is that in the 18th century, a few Muslims who reached Trinidad set out to convert the entire western hemisphere to Islam. They had a modest impact on Trinidad, but Christianity and Rastafarianism both did far better.

Findalis said...

You also should remember Siarlys that even those who crossed the Bering land bridge was a late comer since the first people came over the Atlantic from France. And maybe even earlier people.

It is not who discovered America, but who didn't.

Siarlys Jenkins said...

Findalis, I'm sure you know that "France" did not exist as a name of a place until after 800 AD. But unless you are simply being frivolous in the spirit of the discussion, tell us more about the pre-Celtic peoples who sailed from Europe to North America more than 30,000 years ago. Are you sure they weren't Muslims?

(Sorry, but its hard to tell if any part of what you said was meant seriously.)

Miggie said...

I suppose you can claim anything if 80 to 90% of your audience is illiterate and ignorant.
Any reading of the founding documents will not reveal a single Muslim thought or Muslim signer.

Insofar as his claims about the compass are concerned, here is what Wikipedia says:
The magnetic compass was first invented as a device for divination as early as the Chinese Han Dynasty. The compass was used in Song Dynasty China by the military for navigational orienteering by 1040-1044 and was used for maritime navigation by 1117. The use of a compass is recorded in Western Europe between 1187 and 1202 and in Persia in 1232. The dry compass was invented in Europe around 1300. This was supplanted in the early 20th century by the liquid-filled magnetic compass. (references were deleted for brevity but are available on Wikipedia)

Miggie said...

Insofar as Muslim claims of scientific contributions are concerned, the Scientific Revolution was, by any scientific measure wholly Eurocentric. An astonishing high proportion of scientific breakthroughs came from there. (from, say, the 15th century to the 18th century or even to today regarding the Muslim aspect.)

In marked contrast, Ottoman scientific progress was non-existent in the same period. The best explanation for this divergence (that remains to this day) was the unlimited sovereignty of religion in the Muslim world. Towards the end of the eleventh century, influential Islamic clerics began to argue that the study of Greek philosophy was incompatible with the teachings of the Koran. It was blasphemous to suggest that man might be able to discern the divine mode of operation, which God might in any case vary at will.
Under clerical influence the study of ancient philosophy was curtailed, books burned, and so called "free thinkers" persecuted, Increasingly the madrasas became focused on the theology at the time when Europeans were broadening the scope of their scholarship.
Printing was resisted in the Muslim world. The ONLY Western book translated to into a Middle Eastern language until the late 18th century was a medical book on the treatment of syphilis.
Nial Ferguson

Findalis said...

You will find some interesting theories about the Solutrean hypothesis here and here.

There is more physical evidence for the Solutreans to have visited/settled the New World than there is for Muslims to visit.

Siarlys Jenkins said...

The Muslim contributions to science were primarily during the Abbasid caliphate, not the Ottoman Empire. Muslim scholars preserved a great deal of Greek learning that Europe forgot or destroyed, refined it, applied it, and it all filtered back into Europe in time for the Renaissance. Nobody has a -centric monopoly, not even it a crotchety old Jewish curmudgeon has decided for short-sighted reasons to give European Christians credit they don't deserve. (His ancestors are spinning in their graves, especially the ones killed during the First Crusade).

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