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Friday, July 2, 2010

Obama's "Great" Immigration Speech

Below is the text of President Obama's speech yesterday at American University in Washington DC. My own responses are interspersed throughout in bold print.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. (Applause.) Everyone please have a seat. Thank you very much. Let me thank Pastor Hybels from near my hometown in Chicago, who took time off his vacation to be here today. We are blessed to have him.

I want to thank President Neil Kerwin and our hosts here at American University; acknowledge my outstanding Secretary of Labor, Hilda Solis, and members of my administration; all the members of Congress -- Hilda deserves applause. (Applause.) To all the members of Congress, the elected officials, faith and law enforcement, labor, business leaders and immigration advocates who are here today -- thank you for your presence.

I want to thank American University for welcoming me to the campus once again. Some may recall that the last time I was here I was joined by a dear friend, and a giant of American politics, Senator Edward Kennedy. (Applause.) Teddy’s not here right now, but his legacy of civil rights and health care and worker protections is still with us.

I was a candidate for President that day, and some may recall I argued that our country had reached a tipping point; that after years in which we had deferred our most pressing problems, and too often yielded to the politics of the moment, we now faced a choice: We could squarely confront our challenges with honesty and determination, or we could consign ourselves and our children to a future less prosperous and less secure.

I believed that then and I believe it now. And that’s why, even as we’ve tackled the most severe economic crisis since the Great Depression, even as we’ve wound down the war in Iraq and refocused our efforts in Afghanistan, my administration has refused to ignore some of the fundamental challenges facing this generation.

What about the border?

We launched the most aggressive education reforms in decades, so that our children can gain the knowledge and skills they need to compete in a 21st century global economy.

We have finally delivered on the promise of health reform -– reform that will bring greater security to every American, and that will rein in the skyrocketing costs that threaten families, businesses and the prosperity of our nation.

Yeah, right.

We’re on the verge of reforming an outdated and ineffective set of rules governing Wall Street -– to give greater power to consumers and prevent the reckless financial speculation that led to this severe recession.

Reform? Led by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd?


And we’re accelerating the transition to a clean energy economy by significantly raising the fuel-efficiency standards of cars and trucks, and by doubling our use of renewable energies like wind and solar power -- steps that have the potential to create whole new industries and hundreds of thousands of new jobs in America.

(LOL)

So, despite the forces of the status quo, despite the polarization and the frequent pettiness of our politics, we are confronting the great challenges of our times. And while this work isn’t easy, and the changes we seek won’t always happen overnight, what we’ve made clear is that this administration will not just kick the can down the road.

Immigration reform is no exception. In recent days, the issue of immigration has become once more a source of fresh contention in our country, with the passage of a controversial law in Arizona and the heated reactions we’ve seen across America. Some have rallied behind this new policy. Others have protested and launched boycotts of the state. And everywhere, people have expressed frustration with a system that seems fundamentally broken.

No, Mr President. The people are not frustrated with a SYSTEM that is broken; they are frustrated by a border that is broken. Of course, Keith Olbermann agrees with Obama. Last night on "Countdown", Keith said this:

"When a Republican president and Congress were in charge, they failed to pass immigration reform. Now, a Democratic president and Congress are in charge, and need only a handful of Republicans to pass immigration reform. Because those Republicans won‘t support immigration reform, border state Republicans are naturally blaming the lack of immigration reform on the Democratic president."

Again, No, Mr Olbermann. Republicans are not blaming Obama (or other Republicans) for not passing immigration reform, they are blaming him for not securing our border.



Of course, the tensions around immigration are not new. On the one hand, we’ve always defined ourselves as a nation of immigrants -- a nation that welcomes those willing to embrace America’s precepts. Indeed, it is this constant flow of immigrants that helped to make America what it is. The scientific breakthroughs of Albert Einstein, the inventions of Nikola Tesla, the great ventures of Andrew Carnegie’s U.S. Steel and Sergey Brin’s Google, Inc. -– all this was possible because of immigrants.

Legal immigrants.

And then there are the countless names and the quiet acts that never made the history books but were no less consequential in building this country -- the generations who braved hardship and great risk to reach our shores in search of a better life for themselves and their families; the millions of people, ancestors to most of us, who believed that there was a place where they could be, at long last, free to work and worship and live their lives in peace.

So this steady stream of hardworking and talented people has made America the engine of the global economy and a beacon of hope around the world. And it’s allowed us to adapt and thrive in the face of technological and societal change. To this day, America reaps incredible economic rewards because we remain a magnet for the best and brightest from across the globe. Folks travel here in the hopes of being a part of a culture of entrepreneurship and ingenuity, and by doing so they strengthen and enrich that culture. Immigration also means we have a younger workforce -– and a faster-growing economy -- than many of our competitors. And in an increasingly interconnected world, the diversity of our country is a powerful advantage in global competition.

Just a few weeks ago, we had an event of small business owners at the White House. And one business owner was a woman named Prachee Devadas who came to this country, became a citizen, and opened up a successful technology services company. When she started, she had just one employee. Today, she employs more than a hundred people. This past April, we held a naturalization ceremony at the White House for members of our armed forces. Even though they were not yet citizens, they had enlisted. One of them was a woman named Perla Ramos -- born and raised in Mexico, came to the United States shortly after 9/11, and she eventually joined the Navy. And she said, “I take pride in our flag and the history that forged this great nation and the history we write day by day.”

Legal immigrants.


These women, and men and women across this country like them, remind us that immigrants have always helped to build and defend this country -– and that being an American is not a matter of blood or birth. It’s a matter of faith. It’s a matter of fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. That’s what makes us unique. That’s what makes us strong. Anybody can help us write the next great chapter in our history.

Now, we can’t forget that this process of immigration and eventual inclusion has often been painful. Each new wave of immigrants has generated fear and resentments towards newcomers, particularly in times of economic upheaval. Our founding was rooted in the notion that America was unique as a place of refuge and freedom for, in Thomas Jefferson’s words, “oppressed humanity.” But the ink on our Constitution was barely dry when, amidst conflict, Congress passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, which placed harsh restrictions of those suspected of having foreign allegiances. A century ago, immigrants from Ireland, Italy, Poland, other European countries were routinely subjected to rank discrimination and ugly stereotypes. Chinese immigrants were held in detention and deported from Angel Island in the San Francisco Bay. They didn’t even get to come in.

So the politics of who is and who is not allowed to enter this country, and on what terms, has always been contentious. And that remains true today. And it’s made worse by a failure of those of us in Washington to fix a broken immigration system.

It is not the system that is broken. It is the border. That is the issue.

To begin with, our borders have been porous for decades. Obviously, the problem is greatest along our Southern border, but it’s not restricted to that part of the country. In fact, because we don’t do a very good job of tracking who comes in and out of the country as visitors, large numbers avoid immigration laws simply by overstaying their visas.

The result is an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States. The overwhelming majority of these men and women are simply seeking a better life for themselves and their children. Many settle in low-wage sectors of the economy; they work hard, they save, they stay out of trouble. But because they live in the shadows, they’re vulnerable to unscrupulous businesses who pay them less than the minimum wage or violate worker safety rules -– thereby putting companies who follow those rules, and Americans who rightly demand the minimum wage or overtime, at an unfair [dis]advantage. Crimes go unreported as victims and witnesses fear coming forward. And this makes it harder for the police to catch violent criminals and keep neighborhoods safe. And billions in tax revenue are lost each year because many undocumented workers are paid under the table.

What makes it harder for police to catch the violent criminals (among illegal aliens) is sanctuary policies of places like LA, SF, Phoenix and many other cities.)

More fundamentally, the presence of so many illegal immigrants makes a mockery of all those who are going through the process of immigrating legally. Indeed, after years of patchwork fixes and ill-conceived revisions, the legal immigration system is as broken as the borders. Backlogs and bureaucracy means the process can take years. While an applicant waits for approval, he or she is often forbidden from visiting the United States –- which means even husbands and wives may be forced to spend many years apart. High fees and the need for lawyers may exclude worthy applicants. And while we provide students from around the world visas to get engineering and computer science degrees at our top universities, our laws discourage them from using those skills to start a business or power a new industry right here in the United States. Instead of training entrepreneurs to create jobs on our shores, we train our competition.

All the more reason why illegal immigration is wrong.


In sum, the system is broken. And everybody knows it. Unfortunately, reform has been held hostage to political posturing and special-interest wrangling -– and to the pervasive sentiment in Washington that tackling such a thorny and emotional issue is inherently bad politics.

Which is why he's making this speech. He knows Comprehensive Immigration Reform (amnesty) doesn't have the votes, so he is basically posturing to the Hispanic vote, which he assumes is pro-illegal immigration. He will blame the Republicans-further on

Just a few years ago, when I was a senator, we forged a bipartisan coalition in favor of comprehensive reform. Under the leadership of Senator Kennedy, who had been a longtime champion of immigration reform, and Senator John McCain, we worked across the aisle to help pass a bipartisan bill through the Senate. But that effort eventually came apart. And now, under the pressures of partisanship and election-year politics, many of the 11 Republican senators who voted for reform in the past have now backed away from their previous support.

"WE"? The only thing he did as senator was run for president. Now he starts blaming Republicans for not passing amnesty.

Into this breach, states like Arizona have decided to take matters into their own hands.

You mean Arizona acted because Congress failed to pass CIR (Amnesty)-or failed to secure the border?


Given the levels of frustration across the country, this is understandable. But it is also ill conceived. And it’s not just that the law Arizona passed is divisive -– although it has fanned the flames of an already contentious debate. Laws like Arizona’s put huge pressures on local law enforcement to enforce rules that ultimately are unenforceable. It puts pressure on already hard-strapped state and local budgets. It makes it difficult for people here illegally to report crimes -– driving a wedge between communities and law enforcement, making our streets more dangerous and the jobs of our police officers more difficult.

And you don’t have to take my word for this. You can speak to the police chiefs and others from law enforcement here today who will tell you the same thing.

Right-the politically-appointed police chiefs who have joined you as political props. Was Sheriff Joe Arpaio there yesterday?


These laws also have the potential of violating the rights of innocent American citizens and legal residents, making them subject to possible stops or questioning because of what they look like or how they sound. And as other states and localities go their own ways, we face the prospect that different rules for immigration will apply in different parts of the country -– a patchwork of local immigration rules where we all know one clear national standard is needed.

Our task then is to make our national laws actually work -– to shape a system that reflects our values as a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. And that means being honest about the problem, and getting past the false debates that divide the country rather than bring it together.

A nation of laws-or a nation with no borders?

For example, there are those in the immigrants’ rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are [here] illegally with legal status, or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. And often this argument is framed in moral terms: Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living?

I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument, but I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.

Is he singing our song?


Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.

How do you propose to "hold them accountable"?


Now, if the majority of Americans are skeptical of a blanket amnesty, they are also skeptical that it is possible to round up and deport 11 million people. They know it’s not possible. Such an effort would be logistically impossible and wildly expensive. Moreover, it would tear at the very fabric of this nation -– because immigrants who are here illegally are now intricately woven into that fabric. Many have children who are American citizens. Some are children themselves, brought here by their parents at a very young age, growing up as American kids, only to discover their illegal status when they apply for college or a job. Migrant workers -– mostly here illegally -– have been the labor force of our farmers and agricultural producers for generations. So even if it was possible, a program of mass deportations would disrupt our economy and communities in ways that most Americans would find intolerable.

What responsible conservative, Republican or independent (like me) has ever proposed that we round up and deport 11 million people? We all know it is physically impossible and would not be humane either. Where we can start is by aggressively going after the criminals among the illegal aliens who prey on on all of us but mostly on the Hispanic community itself.

Now, once we get past the two poles of this debate, it becomes possible to shape a practical, common-sense approach that reflects our heritage and our values. Such an approach demands accountability from everybody -– from government, from businesses and from individuals.

Government has a threshold responsibility to secure our borders. That’s why I directed my Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano -- a former border governor -- to improve our enforcement policy without having to wait for a new law.

What!!??!


Today, we have more boots on the ground near the Southwest border than at any time in our history. Let me repeat that: We have more boots on the ground on the Southwest border than at any time in our history. We doubled the personnel assigned to Border Enforcement Security Task Forces. We tripled the number of intelligence analysts along the border. For the first time, we’ve begun screening 100 percent of southbound rail shipments. And as a result, we’re seizing more illegal guns, cash and drugs than in years past. Contrary to some of the reports that you see, crime along the border is down. And statistics collected by Customs and Border Protection reflect a significant reduction in the number of people trying to cross the border illegally.

Wow! Are there any legs in those boots? Seized more guns cash and drugs than "in years past", but fewer people are trying to cross the border illegally. Talk about creative stats.


So the bottom line is this: The southern border is more secure today than at any time in the past 20 years.

Let that statement sink in, folks. That's why the government has put up warning signs around Buenos Aires National Park in Arizona warning us to stay out. That's why Phoenix is the kidnap capital of the US, number 2 in the world-only behind Mexico City. (Oh that's right. Phoenix is not on the border.)

That doesn’t mean we don’t have more work to do. We have to do that work, but it’s important that we acknowledge the facts. Even as we are committed to doing what’s necessary to secure our borders, even without passage of the new law, there are those who argue that we should not move forward with any other elements of reform until we have fully sealed our borders. But our borders are just too vast for us to be able to solve the problem only with fences and border patrols. It won’t work. Our borders will not be secure as long as our limited resources are devoted to not only stopping gangs and potential terrorists, but also the hundreds of thousands who attempt to cross each year simply to find work.


That’s why businesses must be held accountable if they break the law by deliberately hiring and exploiting undocumented workers. We’ve already begun to step up enforcement against the worst workplace offenders. And we’re implementing and improving a system to give employers a reliable way to verify that their employees are here legally. But we need to do more. We cannot continue just to look the other way as a significant portion of our economy operates outside the law. It breeds abuse and bad practices. It punishes employers who act responsibly and undercuts American workers. And ultimately, if the demand for undocumented workers falls, the incentive for people to come here illegally will decline as well.

What about denying benefits to illegal aliens?

Finally, we have to demand responsibility from people living here illegally. They must be required to admit that they broke the law. They should be required to register, pay their taxes, pay a fine, and learn English. They must get right with the law before they can get in line and earn their citizenship -- not just because it is fair, not just because it will make clear to those who might wish to come to America they must do so inside the bounds of the law, but because this is how we demonstrate that being -- what being an American means. Being a citizen of this country comes not only with rights but also with certain fundamental responsibilities. We can create a pathway for legal status that is fair, reflective of our values, and works.

Is this what he means by holding them accountable? Nonsense. Will they be forced to leave the country and re-enter legally-subject to denial? Who says they even want to become US citizens? Isn't that a little presumptuous? What would happen is they could register, perhaps pay a small fine and they would be legalized-probably able to send for their relatives while more keep arriving every day because the border is still broken to register and be legalized. This sounds like a shell game to me.


Now, stopping illegal immigration must go hand in hand with reforming our creaky system of legal immigration. We’ve begun to do that, by eliminating a backlog in background checks that at one point stretched back almost a year. That’s just for the background check. People can now track the status of their immigration applications by email or text message. We’ve improved accountability and safety in the detention system. And we’ve stemmed the increases in naturalization fees. But here, too, we need to do more. We should make it easier for the best and the brightest to come to start businesses and develop products and create jobs.

Our laws should respect families following the rules -– instead of splitting them apart. We need to provide farms a legal way to hire the workers they rely on, and a path for those workers to earn legal status. And we should stop punishing innocent young people for the actions of their parents by denying them the chance to stay here and earn an education and contribute their talents to build the country where they’ve grown up. The DREAM Act would do this, and that’s why I supported this bill as a state legislator and as a U.S. senator -- and why I continue to support it as president.

Right. What we need is the DREAM Act.


So these are the essential elements of comprehensive immigration reform. The question now is whether we will have the courage and the political will to pass a bill through Congress, to finally get it done. Last summer, I held a meeting with leaders of both parties, including many of the Republicans who had supported reform in the past -- and some who hadn’t. I was pleased to see a bipartisan framework proposed in the Senate by Senators Lindsey Graham and Chuck Schumer, with whom I met to discuss this issue. I’ve spoken with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to plot the way forward and meet -- and then I met with them earlier this week.

And I’ve spoken with representatives from a growing coalition of labor unions and business groups, immigrant advocates and community organizations, law enforcement, local government -– all who recognize the importance of immigration reform. And I’ve met with leaders from America’s religious communities, like Pastor Hybels -- people of different faiths and beliefs, some liberal, some conservative, who nonetheless share a sense of urgency; who understand that fixing our broken immigration system is not only a political issue, not just an economic issue, but a moral imperative as well.

Did you meet with Sheriff Arpaio? I know you met with Gov. Jan Brewer-and you blew her off.

So we’ve made progress. I’m ready to move forward; the majority of Democrats are ready to move forward; and I believe the majority of Americans are ready to move forward. But the fact is, without bipartisan support, as we had just a few years ago, we cannot solve this problem. Reform that brings accountability to our immigration system cannot pass without Republican votes. That is the political and mathematical reality. The only way to reduce the risk that this effort will again falter because of politics is if members of both parties are willing to take responsibility for solving this problem once and for all.

Here we go again. Blame the Republicans for not passing CIR.


And, yes, this is an emotional question, and one that lends itself to demagoguery. Time and again, this issue has been used to divide and inflame -– and to demonize people. And so the understandable, the natural impulse among those who run for office is to turn away and defer this question for another day, or another year, or another administration. Despite the courageous leadership in the past shown by many Democrats and some Republicans -- including, by the way, my predecessor, President Bush -– this has been the custom. That is why a broken and dangerous system that offends our most basic American values is still in place.

But I believe we can put politics aside and finally have an immigration system that’s accountable. I believe we can appeal not to people’s fears but to their hopes, to their highest ideals, because that’s who we are as Americans. It’s been inscribed on our nation’s seal since we declared our independence. “E pluribus unum.” Out of many, one. That is what has drawn the persecuted and impoverished to our shores. That’s what led the innovators and risk-takers from around the world to take a chance here in the land of opportunity. That’s what has led people to endure untold hardships to reach this place called America.

One of the largest waves of immigration in our history took place little more than a century ago. At the time, Jewish people were being driven out of Eastern Europe, often escaping to the sounds of gunfire and the light from their villages burning to the ground. The journey could take months, as families crossed rivers in the dead of night, traveled miles by foot, endured a rough and dangerous passage over the North Atlantic. Once here, many made their homes in a teeming and bustling Lower Manhattan.

Legally.

It was at this time that a young woman named Emma Lazarus, whose own family fled persecution from Europe generations earlier, took up the cause of these new immigrants. Although she was a poet, she spent much of her time advocating for better health care and housing for the newcomers. And inspired by what she saw and heard, she wrote down her thoughts and donated a piece of work to help pay for the construction of a new statue -- the Statue of Liberty -- which actually was funded in part by small donations from people across America.

Years before the statue was built -- years before it would be seen by throngs of immigrants craning their necks skyward at the end of long and brutal voyage, years before it would come to symbolize everything that we cherish -- she imagined what it could mean. She imagined the sight of a giant statue at the entry point of a great nation -– but unlike the great monuments of the past, this would not signal an empire. Instead, it would signal one’s arrival to a place of opportunity and refuge and freedom.

“Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand,” she wrote,

A mighty woman with a torch…
From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome…
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!”…
“Give me your tired, and your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to be free…
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

(Appeal to emotion)

Let us remember these words. For it falls on each generation to ensure that that lamp -– that beacon -– continues to shine as a source of hope around the world, and a source of our prosperity here at home.

Thank you. God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America. Thank you. (Applause.)


It all comes down to this; the first thing that must be done is to secure the border and stop the bleeding. If CIR comes first (amnesty), there will be a rush to get across the border and cash in on amnesty. Is it not far wiser to secure the border and/or take away the incentives to come here first? At the same time, we should aggressively go after the criminals among those illegals. True, most are otherwise decent and hard working people desperate to earn a living because of the corrupt rulers in Mexico who hoard all the wealth for themselves. Once the border is secure, then we can address the issue of how to humanely deal with those who are here now. President Obama has it ass-backwards-and he knows it.

In the 1980s, President Reagan agreed to amnesty for some 3 million people in the country illegally. The border, however, was never secured, and 3 million grew to 11 million (at least). That is a mistake we cannot repeat. The main problem is not that our immigration system is broken. The problem is that our border is broken. We have lost the right and the duty of a sovereign nation to control who enters our country. More than any other recent administration (and they are all guilty)this administration is abrogating that responsibilty

10 comments:

Lance Christian Johnson said...

Unless he's talking about going after those who hire illegals, then it's all just a bunch of fluff. That goes for all of them.

Anonymous said...

Yes Gary, all white European immigrants came here legally. Of course. That's not historical revisionism at all.

Give me a break. You may very well be TECHNICALLY correct, I don't know. But considering how open and/or unenforceable the immigration system was in the past (early 20th century and before), it's really a silly comparison for you to make.

Gary Fouse said...

Anonymous,

Ever hear about a place called Ellis Island?

Siarlys Jenkins said...

I don't have time to read all of this before I go to work, but if you don't advocated deporting 11 million people, and you oppose any form of amnesty, if you insist that the law should be enforced and respected, what exactly DO you advocate? Be specific please, no grand platitudes. These eleven million people are, or are not, here illegally, the law making them eligible for deportation should, or should not, be vigorously enforced, if it is enforced, they will or will not all be deported (and why or why not), and if it is not enforced, the alternative way to restore respect for our laws and borders is to...

Gary Fouse said...

Siarlys,

First secure the border.

Same time start cracking down on the employers.

Same time abolish sanctuary cities as illegal obstruction of Federal justice.

Go after the criminals and gang members. Identify those picked up by the cops and when the justice system is done with them turn them over to ICE for deportation.

Then and only then we can start identifying the otherwise honest workers who have been here for years, maybe have children etc, and figure out a humane to way to legalize their status. We know we cannot deport 10-11 million people.

The key is to stop the continuing flood.

Siarlys Jenkins said...

Gary, your program is quite reasonable, and I would be happy to write to my congress rep to support it. The only quibble I have is the part about sanctuary cities. In practical terms, that refers to a local policy that local police will NOT get involved in immigration issues. It makes sense to me. Local residents who, for better or for worse, made it through whatever the federal government was or was not doing, settled here, hold down jobs, pay taxes (they nearly all do), have children, many of them born here, in local schools, will be treated as such. Cops need to fight crime, which requires good community relations, and confidence that reporting a crime will not result in deportation. (I'm sure you know about raping women who lack a green card, then telling them, hey, go to the police, you'll get deported).

It will be much easier to isolated the gangs if there is genuine confidence that we are not going to deport eleven million people, so maybe we shouldn't wait for "only then" to establish what those already here can do to stabilize and legalize their existence.

Is what you're saying really so much different than what Senator McCain used to propose, in cooperation with several Democrats, what Schumer and Graham have proposed, or what the president proposes?

Gary Fouse said...

Siarlys,

You are being a bit naive here. Do you really believe this adminsitration will really secure the border once he has his Compr Imm Reform?

I also think this bit about gaining the cooperation of the community is a bit of an excuse. In DEA, we used illegal alines as informants in conjunction with INS. All the cops have to do is let people know if they come forward to report a crime, no questions will be asked. What sanctuary cities are doing is hurting innocent immigrants by protecting the criminals from ICE.

Lance Christian Johnson said...

You are being a bit naive here. Do you really believe this adminsitration will really secure the border once he has his Compr Imm Reform?

Speaking of naive, do you really think that ANYBODY (who has any decent shot of winning office) will really do anything to secure the border? It's all just talk. I'm not normally so cynical, really, but I am about this.

Gary Fouse said...

Duncan Hunter who ran for Pres a while back would have. he was primarily responsible for the sealing off of the San Diego sector.

Siarlys Jenkins said...

What this administration will or will not do about sealing off the border does not make or break whether certain local policies are workable or beneficial. This is not a trade off, where if Obama will seal the border, then, the local police will develop good community relations, otherwise they won't! (And you are naive if you think people who hide from the police every day for fear of deportation will "come forward" because they are promised that anyone who "reports a crime" will not be turned over to the border patrol).

What it the feds do not seal the border? Would it be better or worse for local police to have good community relations? What if the feds do seal the border? Would it be better or worse for the local police to have good community relations?

Remember that several generations of police generally abusing anyone classified as black is what made thugs with dark skin something akin to heroes. In order for any community to turn in the criminals in their midst, they have to be confident that the police really are on their side, not out to get them.

Come to think of it, when things fell apart in Yugoslavia, the government of Bosnia had no armories, and had to rely on local criminal syndicates to help it build up a fighting force, with all kinds of dubious collateral damage.

Common point? If the criminals are all thrown together with the decent law abiding people, then the decent law abiding people will have little choice but to protect, and accept protection from, the criminals.

You are drawing very dangerous lines.