"Hey, Buddy! That's a no-go zone!"
You see them in France. You see them in Sweden. You see them in Britain. Even in Germany, a country that knows a thing or two about occupying other countries, you now see the so-called "No-go" zones in large cities. These are the areas of cities where native Europeans, non-Muslims and even police do not enter.
Vlad Tepes and Creeping Sharia bring you this video from Germany.
When we speak of tolerance, just who is it that is supposed to be tolerant?
Well enter them for God's sake. Avoiding your new neighbors is how ghettos develop.
ReplyDeleteI know you have a soft spot in your heart for Germany Gary Fouse, but to me and most American's Germany is a country far, far, away, and it's troubles are not ours.
ReplyDeleteHowever this is what is going on right here in the United States:
http://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141559320/controversy-erupts-over-sex-segregated-brooklyn-bus
We American's need to deal with the Jewish problem before we move on to the Arab/Muslim problem.
I wonder if they were just random "youths" or if there were some defining characteristic that caused the problems.
ReplyDeleteI think this is how it starts here:
http://www.independentsentinel.com/2011/10/obamas-thought-police-removing-islam-from-terror-training-manuals/
Obama refuses to name the enemy! It is just suicidal.
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Nelly,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, Hasidic Jews don't make rules for me. I would have told the guy to go to Hell. We don't accept gender segregation here is America. We have had a couple of similar encounter at Muslim Student Union events at UC Irvine where Muslims (and University officials) attempted to tell non-Muslims they could not sit by Muslim females. A couple of folks with backbone straightened that out.
If you think that means we have a Jewish problem in America, then you are obviously nuts. We have no Jewish problem in America.
Gary Fouse decrees the problem gone.
ReplyDeleteAll the "Muslim problems" Gary complains about in Europe are also de facto practices, not formal legislation, but in America, we have no problem, because people with backbone can straighten them out. However, we have to moan and groan about them anyway, because everyone knows most people don't have any backbone.
A pessimist must have his daily fix of woe. (Ever hear of Kiryat Joel in NY?
Oh, this is fun. Ingrid offers some data that partially undermines my offhand remark, and is even supportive of Gary's concern. Now we might have a well rounded discussion and realize that none of us have a monopoly on the truth, and stumble our way toward a reasonable conclusion. It hasn't been this good since Gary and I agreed on something and Lance denounced both of us.
ReplyDeleteAs I recall, the first Turkish immigrants were invited and warmly welcomed, because Germany needed work done that nobody in Germany really wanted to do. The mayor welcomed the first train load with flowers, I read.
OK, if they are REALLY guest workers, they should work for a year, save some money then go home, bring in another set of guest workers, help them keep their nationality by not letting them stay.
OR, if you let them stay year after year, they become entitled, and their children might even claim rights as German-born. We had that problem in America too. The Irish didn't want to assimilate, the Poles kept speaking Polish to each other, ditto the Italians, Hungarians, Croatians... it took about three generations to really work it all out. Labor unions published in 14 languages.
Another solution would be the Ottoman style: subject to imperial law, day to day life is handled in the Greek ghetto by Greek leaders, the Armenian ghetto by Armenian leaders, the Arab ghetto (they're not Turks remember) by Arab leaders, the Jewish ghetto by Jewish leaders (the one's who aren't serving as Admiral of the Sultan's fleets). THEN there would be a distinct Muslim community, which could implement some sort of Sharia, like Gary is always warning about.
In America today, contrary to popular prejudice, most Spanish-speaking immigrants want to learn English. It is only middle-class leftist culture-vultures that want them to handle everything in Spanish. At least they make sure their children learn English.
Germany obviously didn't think this out well. Perhaps if arrangements had been made for the first wave to live in small housing units widely scattered through the cities, and have German neighbors to be matched with, like sister cities, only at the family level... oh well, that's water under the bridge now. We should have done that with northbound migrating workers of African descent in America some hundred years ago.
What IS to be done?
I'm sure you'll figure something out Siarlys.
ReplyDeleteSiarlys, your last sentence says it all. There is no answer as far as I can see. You are not wrong with your analysis and what you say about the Turks, but you don't take into consideration that Germany is not the US. Since I spent most of my adult life in the US (and 16 months in Iran) I have no fear of foreigners, since I have always been one myself, even now here in Germany, but when I ask a person with an accent where he is from, I mostly get an icy stare. I, on the other hand get asked that question all the time and happily anounce (I live in the North but speak a Southern German dialect) from Northern California, of course, we all say "Gruess Gott" there. (Gary, you get that, right?)
ReplyDeleteIf you will only elect me, Gary. I'm waiting to hear what Ingrid wants for her country -- the one you love second only to the USA.
ReplyDeleteI get quite a chuckle when I say Gruess Gott to a non-Bavarian. I also am quick to ask foreigners where they are from since I enjoy praticing the language if I speak it or chatting about the country if I have visited it.
ReplyDeleteNelly,
ReplyDeleteYou can just call me Gary.
Siarlys, I know Gary loves Germany. I have no loyalty towards Germany. I live in my own little world here and I am constantly reminded of my miserable childhood here when I go and talk to people. I only breathe free when I am in the USA, which I consider "my country".
ReplyDeleteWhat happens to Germany concerns me as much as what happens to the rest of the world.
I believe that you can only understand Germans if you are one.
Sorry, the last anonymous was I, but I think you could have guessed that.
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