Hat tip to The West, Islam and Shariah
The below videotape shows Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visiting the survivors of the Fogel family in Itamar. The conversation is in Hebrew, but in one exchange, the surviving 12-year-old daughter, Tamar Fogel, asks Netanyahu, "What will happen, if you do anything-America will get at you."
http://thewestislamandsharia.blogspot.com/2011/03/fogel-family-massacre-anguished.html
That is the feeling of this 12-year-old child who has lost her family to a Palestinian terrorist massacre. This is the faith that the Israel people have in President Obama.
Sadly, Tamar is probably right.
America should end all military and economic aid to Israel until the government of Israel comes to terms with the fact that this is the best, and perhaps the last, moment to cut a deal, rid itself of the burden of administering the West Bank, and let the civilian population known as Palestinians have some reliable hope for the future.
ReplyDeleteIsrael, as a sovereign nation, is entitled to make its own decisions, but the rest of the world, including the USA, has no obligation to subsidize stupidity.
This is true no matter what Tamar thinks, or says, or what Gary Fouse interprets the gasp of a wounded child to mean in adult global political terms.
Siarlys is as bad on foreign policy as he is on economics. It turns out that Israel is the only, ONLY, US ally and truly democratic country in the Middle East. The US has interests world wide and they have to protect those interests. The US has a vital interest in peace and stability in that area particularly.
ReplyDeleteThe fact of the matter is that if Israel gave up every inch of disputed land, on which they they have a superior claim than anyone else, the conflict in the Middle East would not abate.
The Muslims want the eradication of Jews in Israel as well as in the rest of the world. The Christians and other infidels are next on the agenda. This has been documented often from many sources and is known by all except those who don't want to see the situation for contrary or other reasons.
I, for one, think that Israel should give the surrounding Arab countries such a lambasting that they will not raise their hands against her again. There is nothing as obsequious as a defeated Arab.
Read the Closed Circle, An Interpretation of the Arabs by David Pryce-Jones unless you continue to believe that self education gives you complete knowledge of the universe without scholarship like this.
I don't understand what our President should do about that. Send in the Marines? Should they wipe out all the Palestinians to finally satisfy you and your Israeli friends?
ReplyDeleteMiggie is Israel's worst enemy. Because it is an ally of the United States, we should aid and abet it in committing military, economic, and possibly political suicide. Because there are plenty of people in the Middle East who would indeed like to "drive the Jews into the sea," Israel should make sure to lose what friends it has by creating martyrs for the cause and convincing everyone that it is too thick-headed to EVER offer the Palestinian civilian population hope of a life worth living, as a good alternative to a glorious death.
ReplyDeleteIsrael is the largest US aircraft carrier, which does not require even one US soldier, cannot be sunk, is the most cost-effective and battle-tested, located in a region which is critical to vital US interests. If there would not be an Israel, the US would have to deploy real aircraft carriers, along with tens of thousands of US soldiers, which would cost tens of billions of dollars annually, dragging the US unnecessarily into local, regional and global conflicts. All of which is spared by the Jewish State.
ReplyDeleteGeneral Alexander Haig, who was a Supreme Commander of NATO and a US Secretary of State
It is not up to Israel to provide the Arabs on its borders a better life anymore than it is up to the US to provide a better life for the Mexicans. Plenty of benefits can come to both sides with peace and trade but the "Palestinians" are fixated only on the destruction of Israel. If you would read their Charter you would know. There is no making peace or having any negotiations with people who are dedicated to your destruction.
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ReplyDeleteSiarlys is an history expert. He saw Mel Brooks' History of the Wolrd Part 1 once. The best part was when Hannibal crossed the Rockies.
If that's what you know about history Gary, you'd better go read those books again. You have as much respect for truth as the average UC-Santa Cruz banana slug. First, you spout an opinion. Then, when someone presents an alternative viewpoint, you insinuate they've never read a book. Then, when someone offers detailed citation to published sources, you complain that its far too much for your tired little brain to comprehend.
ReplyDeleteHow is that different from the local "Gentile Friends of the MSU" cutting off anything they consider to be "useless discourse"? I grant you, that you haven't deleted my comments. However, you don't offer a considered or rational response. "Oh darn, Siarlys is coming in with all these facts and reasoning, and we were having such a good time spouting dogma. Phooee."
Findalis, a nation is not an aircraft carrier. One of Israel's biggest mistakes was to tie itself by treaty to United States foreign policy. That was on of the United States's biggest mistakes also.
Miggie: Israel indeed does not owe the Palestinians a living. But I am not aware that Americans are building fortified cities in Mexican territory, interdicting roads between Mexican villages, and extending our border wall across Mexican olive orchards. Even Mormons, who have some belief that could lend itself to parts of Mexico being "holy ground" for their faith, apply at the Mexican consulate for permission to enter or settle in Mexican territory.
The current Palestinian prime minister is doing a fine job of building a viable peace time economy. He'd be doing a lot better at it if Israel would get out of his way. The better he does, the less incentive Palestinian youth would have to go out in a glorious act of jihad.
The current Palestinian prime minister is doing a fine job of building a viable peace time economy. He'd be doing a lot better at it if Israel would get out of his way. The better he does, the less incentive Palestinian youth would have to go out in a glorious act of jihad.
ReplyDeleteConsidering that the majority of the jobs you mention are in Israel, then perhaps the Israelis should fire them and force Abbas to actually spend the monies given to the PA on the people and not gathering interest in his Swiss Bank Account.
Israel has a right to use all of the land, or are you suggesting that the US give up Washington DC, Boston, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angles, etc... All conquered territories.
In his comparison with America and Mexico, Siarlys proceeds from the assumption that it is Palestinian land. It is not. There were Arabs that lived in that area as there were Jews that lived there. (The Jews were there many centuries before them, but that doesn't seem to matter.) There was no SOVEREIGN nation before in the disputed lands. It was a provence of the Ottoman Empire and there were some non-resident Arab landowners who leased land to the the Arabs there. The Ottoman Empire LOST that SOVEREIGNTY in the First World War. There has never been a Palestinian language or Palestinian country or a cohesive political entity that called itself Palestine. They are Arabs, no different than the Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians, in any respect.
ReplyDeleteDifferent countries have occupied this disputed land or had mandates over it over the years since, including Jordan for a while but they gave up any claims. If you would have read the article from Commentary you would have known the history and the legal issues involved. Commentary is one of the leading intellectual magazines in the country.
Siarlys, you simply don't know what you are talking about. I've given links to sources and all you do is spout inanities. If you weren't so infuriatingly ill informed on this topic I would not bother pointing these items out to you. As it is, my patience is running out. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and read the article from the link I provided. Then read a BOOK called From Time Immemorial; The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine. You can get a used copy on Amazon for a couple of bucks. Surely you can swing that ... unless you remain convinced that teaching yourself is better than reading anything about it or learning from anyone else.
Incidentally, I have been there many times and can testify that there many good reasons for the security fence and the checkpoints, which of course you only opine about.
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Findalis, please exercise a bit of realpolitik here. If somewhere between one fifth and one third of the population of North American were American Indians, and they had demonstrated the capability to maintain various forms of asymmetrical warfare keeping "the hairy man from the east" on edge and afraid of sudden fiery death, I would gladly propose giving them complete sovereignty over Washington, Oregon, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, North and South Dakota, and Colorado, if they could build a viable economy there and become sufficiently preoccupied with it to leave the rest of us alone.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, half of us, "white" or "black" are probably part Native American (mine is 2% east Tennessee Cherokee), and 90% of the native population was wiped out by smallpox before any real warfare developed. That's why the continent was open enough for our European ancestors to gain a toehold.
So much for facile analogy. (Did Mel Brooks say anything about that Gary? If he did I missed it, but I've been too busy reading history to watch his movies.)
At this time, most Palestinian jobs are no longer in Israel, because it is too much hassle to get through The Wall, past all those abusive border guards. Many still are motivated by the money, but Israel is having to get along without many more. However, Jerico and Nablus are, by all accounts, reasonably clean, safe, and even places an entrepreneur can start a viable business. That sort of takes the mind off of the glories of jihad.
If you'd been talking about Yassir Arafat's Swiss bank account, I would have given you full credence. At this point, while various forms of petty corruption no doubt exist, as they do in Israel, a fair amount of money is actually being spent to benefit the people it is intended for.
I cheered for Israel in 1967 and 1973 (despite having leftist friends by the latter date), and I refuse to join the "pro-Palestinian" campaign on the street, but Israel's government darn well deserves to be cut off from American taxpayer funding until it comes to its senses and takes the opportunity to get things settled. Bibi obviously doesn't want to, doesn't think he has to, and that is a recipe for a return to violent measures, informal and formal, out of sheer frustration.
"Siarlys is an history expert. He saw Mel Brooks' History of the Wolrd Part 1 once. The best part was when Hannibal crossed the Rockies."
ReplyDeleteI don't think applies to Siarlys but that insult did make me laugh. Haven't seen that film in a long time but thought it was very funny when I did see it.