Whenever they say it is not about the money, it is about the money. Gore is no exception. See http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/05/03/ingraham-morano-expose-gores-global-warming-profit-motive .
Gary, if anybody is playing a game here, it's you. I'm just trying to get you to define what the issue even is. You can't do it, so you whine like a little baby.
I can't believe this. If you don't want to argue it, then why do you write about it?
Yeah, I get it - you don't accept it. I don't accept homeopathy, but you know what? I can DEFINE it. Shouldn't that be the first step in determining whether you believe something or not?
This appears to be a remake of "The Exorcist" starring Gary Fouse in the title role. Gary, being a good Methodist, recognizes the German Shepherd in the tall hat as "The Whore of Babylon" and minion of Satan, who is watching on the right, in the guise of a skeleton.
(No Lance, Gary can't define Global Warming. He would have to examine facts and data, and then he might have to rethink his entire position on the matter. His mind is made up. Stop trying to confuse him with the facts.)
P.S. Gary's word verification on this is "pasoc." Does that identify Gary with a sleeper cell for the Panhellenic Socialist Party? Oh no, that would be PASOK. Close.
There either is global warming or there is not. No one knows for sure. Not AL Gore, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, or the local green grocer. The "meteorologists" often can not accurately predict the weather one day to the next so how can any of them be believed when it comes to "global warming?" Oh and if gw be true, did man cause it? Is it the work or aliens (the space kind)? No one knows for sure and I would trust not those "scientists" who are so sure of their position either way. I certainly don't discount the possiblity of GW but also don't discount that it is either a hoax or another thing the world of "science" has wrong. Remember we were supposed to be out of oil long before now. Their still is no real cure for the common cold, etc. etc. That is science for ya.
Gary, the cavillers want something to nitpick. A definition is like blood to a vampire for them. They can only quibble about whatever you may write. No matter what you write, they'll find something to disagree with or mock, even if it is irrelevant or off point. The object is to disagree.
It seems that they forgot, at least as far as I am concerned, that they used up what tolerance I had for that type of thing long ago. That you still respond to their taunts demonstrates what conditioning years of sophomoric discourse with total knowledge of the universe college students can do for you. .
Ok got me there Lance. I did not say that all science was bunk - that would be nonsense, but I do think that those who worship the god of science will be disapointed a great deal of the time. Ever had a relative with cancer? You find out pretty quick that that medical science is not quite up to snuff as they would like to think. Course if I was smart enough to have been some sort of "scientist" I would gladly become one of the arrogant myself. Probably pays better than I am used to.
Cabbie comes close to the truth, but there is a bit more evidence than he seems to be aware of. Quite a lot of evidence actually. To start with, there is a station at the highest elevation in Hawaii that has been measuring atmospheric carbon dioxide for half a century, and the long term trend is painfully obvious.
One of the more creative deniers made up a story that the pattern was due to misconstruction of a computer program, but it is perfectly apparent plotting raw numbers by hand on a piece of graph paper.
As to using up Miggie's tolerance, I have never worried what that cantankerous old crack pot had tolerance for. I'm not trying to convince him of anything. I'll settle for two thirst of the more rational 300 million plus of my fellow citizens.
Miggie is allergic to defining words, because if words have definitions, he would have to think about what a word means before using it.
Cabbie, I don't totally disagree with you. I realize that science doesn't have all the answers. However, I also know that science doesn't make any claim on having all the answers. It's simply a process with an incredible success rate for finding the answers (some things taking longer than others though, of course).
Despite what Gary would have you believe, I'm more than willing to listen to evidence that debunks the idea of humans creating global warming. But what kinds of evidence do we get? Arguments about how it's still cold in winter? What does that even have to do with anything? And then you have these stories about East Anglia University which amount to a whole lot of nothing. Lastly, when I get a denier like Gary, I can't even get him to so much as define what the issue even is. How can somebody have an opinion about something if they don't even know what it is?
Siarlys correctly points out that there is a whole lot more data to global warming/climate change than the deniers would have you believe. Does that mean that there aren't some people who make some pretty specious claims about the phenomenon? Of course not. However, did you see that NASA site that I pointed out to Gary a few days ago? They do a pretty good job of presenting the evidence. Gary won't even acknowledge the case that's being made. You seem reasonable though, maybe you'd be willing to at least look at it (although Gary's usually reasonable but his mind has some kind of kill-switch when it comes to this particular issue.)
Texas: Bitter Arctic Cold hits - Temps in 20s, 83,000 without power: http://www.kens5.com/news/115669179.html
Panama City, FL: Cold Snap kills dozens of starfish: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/04/2050108/gulf-cold-snap-kills-dozens-of.html
Atlanta, GA: Snow likely Wednesday and Thursday: http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-weather-colder-weather-828444.html
Oklaholma: Up to 25 inches of snow fall in NE Oklahoma: http://www.newsok.com/snow-tapers-off-in-oklahoma-25-inches-reported-in-northeast-oklahoma/article/3539442
Chicago, IL: Series of sub-zero nights set. Feb could be snowiest EVER: http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-chicago/series-of-sub-zero-nights-ahead-feb-2011-reach-to-becoming-the-snowiest-ever
Europe: Northern Europe will witness unseasonable cold weather February into Spring: http://eyugoslavia.com/featured/25/north-europe-will-witness-unseasonably-cold-weather-in-feb-2218177/
Mexico: 35 animals Freeze to Death in Mexican Zoo: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/02/35-animals-freeze-to-death-in-mexican-zoo.php
Cuba: 26 inmates Freeze to Death in Cuban Psych Hospital: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12330342
US Wind Chill Map http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PYIXNmBQg-s/TVPufvo4hOI/AAAAAAAAA5g/2BwjF9RT2uU/s1600/uschill.gif
the best political humor I've seen in a couple of years.
"We believe that the decisions of how to deal with the massive asteroid are best left to the individual"
"the Democrats' plan to smash the space rock and shield citizens from its fragments was 'a classic example of the federal government needlessly interfering in the lives of everyday Americans'."
Miggie, can you please explain to us how cold weather during the wintertime has any relevance on man-made global warming? I don't seem to recall anybody saying that we'd never see cold days as a result of all of this. Oh, this would involve you defining what global warming is, of course. Sorry to nit-pick so much like that.
Gary, can you define global warming for us?
ReplyDeleteWhenever they say it is not about the money, it is about the money. Gore is no exception.
ReplyDeleteSee
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/05/03/ingraham-morano-expose-gores-global-warming-profit-motive
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Miggie, can you define global warming for us?
ReplyDeleteGlobal warming is a religion.
ReplyDeleteHow so? What are the beliefs of this religion?
ReplyDeleteLance,
ReplyDeleteEnough of your games, OK? If you want to continue to argue GW, go somewhere else. You know my position, and I'm tired of arguing with you on this.
Gary, if anybody is playing a game here, it's you. I'm just trying to get you to define what the issue even is. You can't do it, so you whine like a little baby.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe this. If you don't want to argue it, then why do you write about it?
Yeah, I get it - you don't accept it. I don't accept homeopathy, but you know what? I can DEFINE it. Shouldn't that be the first step in determining whether you believe something or not?
Lance,
ReplyDeleteGary is nothing but a coward, happy to wallow in his own ignorance and flee from any sort of rational or intellectual challenges to his myopic views.
Sincerely,
A Very Amused Anonymous
You forgot Church of Satan, which the picture is from.
ReplyDeleteThis appears to be a remake of "The Exorcist" starring Gary Fouse in the title role. Gary, being a good Methodist, recognizes the German Shepherd in the tall hat as "The Whore of Babylon" and minion of Satan, who is watching on the right, in the guise of a skeleton.
ReplyDelete(No Lance, Gary can't define Global Warming. He would have to examine facts and data, and then he might have to rethink his entire position on the matter. His mind is made up. Stop trying to confuse him with the facts.)
P.S. Gary's word verification on this is "pasoc." Does that identify Gary with a sleeper cell for the Panhellenic Socialist Party? Oh no, that would be PASOK. Close.
Actually, I put a cowboy hat on one of them but it didn't show up on the pic.
ReplyDeleteThere either is global warming or there is not. No one knows for sure. Not AL Gore, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, or the local green grocer. The "meteorologists" often can not accurately predict the weather one day to the next so how can any of them be believed when it comes to "global warming?" Oh and if gw be true, did man cause it? Is it the work or aliens (the space kind)? No one knows for sure and I would trust not those "scientists" who are so sure of their position either way. I certainly don't discount the possiblity of GW but also don't discount that it is either a hoax or another thing the world of "science" has wrong. Remember we were supposed to be out of oil long before now. Their still is no real cure for the common cold, etc. etc. That is science for ya.
ReplyDeleteGary, the cavillers want something to nitpick. A definition is like blood to a vampire for them. They can only quibble about whatever you may write. No matter what you write, they'll find something to disagree with or mock, even if it is irrelevant or off point. The object is to disagree.
ReplyDeleteIt seems that they forgot, at least as far as I am concerned, that they used up what tolerance I had for that type of thing long ago. That you still respond to their taunts demonstrates what conditioning years of sophomoric discourse with total knowledge of the universe college students can do for you.
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Only in Miggie's world is it a "nitpick" to ask a person to define something before deciding whether it's bunk or not.
ReplyDeleteThen Cabbie complains about the scientific method via a post on the internet. Oh, the irony.
Ok got me there Lance. I did not say that all science was bunk - that would be nonsense, but I do think that those who worship the god of science will be disapointed a great deal of the time. Ever had a relative with cancer? You find out pretty quick that that medical science is not quite up to snuff as they would like to think. Course if I was smart enough to have been some sort of "scientist" I would gladly become one of the arrogant myself. Probably pays better than I am used to.
ReplyDeleteCabbie comes close to the truth, but there is a bit more evidence than he seems to be aware of. Quite a lot of evidence actually. To start with, there is a station at the highest elevation in Hawaii that has been measuring atmospheric carbon dioxide for half a century, and the long term trend is painfully obvious.
ReplyDeleteOne of the more creative deniers made up a story that the pattern was due to misconstruction of a computer program, but it is perfectly apparent plotting raw numbers by hand on a piece of graph paper.
As to using up Miggie's tolerance, I have never worried what that cantankerous old crack pot had tolerance for. I'm not trying to convince him of anything. I'll settle for two thirst of the more rational 300 million plus of my fellow citizens.
Miggie is allergic to defining words, because if words have definitions, he would have to think about what a word means before using it.
Cabbie, I don't totally disagree with you. I realize that science doesn't have all the answers. However, I also know that science doesn't make any claim on having all the answers. It's simply a process with an incredible success rate for finding the answers (some things taking longer than others though, of course).
ReplyDeleteDespite what Gary would have you believe, I'm more than willing to listen to evidence that debunks the idea of humans creating global warming. But what kinds of evidence do we get? Arguments about how it's still cold in winter? What does that even have to do with anything? And then you have these stories about East Anglia University which amount to a whole lot of nothing. Lastly, when I get a denier like Gary, I can't even get him to so much as define what the issue even is. How can somebody have an opinion about something if they don't even know what it is?
Siarlys correctly points out that there is a whole lot more data to global warming/climate change than the deniers would have you believe. Does that mean that there aren't some people who make some pretty specious claims about the phenomenon? Of course not. However, did you see that NASA site that I pointed out to Gary a few days ago? They do a pretty good job of presenting the evidence. Gary won't even acknowledge the case that's being made. You seem reasonable though, maybe you'd be willing to at least look at it (although Gary's usually reasonable but his mind has some kind of kill-switch when it comes to this particular issue.)
Dangit...for the billionth time, "Kirsti" is me. My wife signs on so rarely that I never notice it in order to switch it back to my log-in.
ReplyDeleteToday's installment of Global Warming Updates:
ReplyDeleteTexas:
Bitter Arctic Cold hits - Temps in 20s, 83,000 without power: http://www.kens5.com/news/115669179.html
Panama City, FL:
Cold Snap kills dozens of starfish:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/04/2050108/gulf-cold-snap-kills-dozens-of.html
Atlanta, GA:
Snow likely Wednesday and Thursday:
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-weather-colder-weather-828444.html
Oklaholma:
Up to 25 inches of snow fall in NE Oklahoma:
http://www.newsok.com/snow-tapers-off-in-oklahoma-25-inches-reported-in-northeast-oklahoma/article/3539442
Chicago, IL:
Series of sub-zero nights set. Feb could be snowiest EVER:
http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-chicago/series-of-sub-zero-nights-ahead-feb-2011-reach-to-becoming-the-snowiest-ever
Europe:
Northern Europe will witness unseasonable cold weather February into Spring:
http://eyugoslavia.com/featured/25/north-europe-will-witness-unseasonably-cold-weather-in-feb-2218177/
Mexico:
35 animals Freeze to Death in Mexican Zoo:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/02/35-animals-freeze-to-death-in-mexican-zoo.php
Cuba:
26 inmates Freeze to Death in Cuban Psych Hospital:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12330342
US Wind Chill Map
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PYIXNmBQg-s/TVPufvo4hOI/AAAAAAAAA5g/2BwjF9RT2uU/s1600/uschill.gif
Global Warming Updates from Common Cents
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I highly recommend this article
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-vote-to-repeal-obamabacked-bill-that-w,19025/
the best political humor I've seen in a couple of years.
"We believe that the decisions of how to deal with the massive asteroid are best left to the individual"
"the Democrats' plan to smash the space rock and shield citizens from its fragments was 'a classic example of the federal government needlessly interfering in the lives of everyday Americans'."
Miggy, in fairness, I expect you to be back here pointing out record highs when there's a hot spell.
ReplyDeleteMiggie, can you please explain to us how cold weather during the wintertime has any relevance on man-made global warming? I don't seem to recall anybody saying that we'd never see cold days as a result of all of this. Oh, this would involve you defining what global warming is, of course. Sorry to nit-pick so much like that.
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