Saturday, January 10, 2009
Anti-Israel Rally in LA- Fousesquawk's Great Adventure
"Death to Fousesquawk!"
Today, I had the pleasure of hooking up with a few other conservative bloggers (Shane from Political Vindication, Eric from Tygrrrr Express, Doug from Political Pistachio Radio and a couple others whose names I don't recall because I am getting too old. What did we do? We charged off to the Federal Building in Westwood to show the colors for Israel in the big anti-Israel rally. It was the first time I had actually participated in a demonstration other than just watching and perhaps commenting. My son even put together a big poster on a stick that showed the Israeli flag for me to carry.
To say we were outnumbered would be an understatement. As we arrived at the federal building, we were met by a sea of Palestinian flags. All in all, there were about 20 pro-Israel folks versus 1-2,000 of the "bad guys". Who were the demonstrators? Overwhelmingly Middle Eastern folks of all ages. Many families brought their kids with them to get them a head start in their future lives of jihad and hate. As I stated, Palestinian flags were everywhere as were kaffiyas (those are the white scarves with the black doo-dads that Palestinians wear.) There was also one young gentleman who carried a Venezuelan flag (in honor of Hugo Chavez, perhaps) while wearing the kaffiya in a sign of solidarity with all of America's enemies.
Our sudden presence drew the immediate attention of the bad guys, the media and the LAPD. The cops (who did a great job today) immediately asked us to stay together in a group, and they directed us a few yards back down Wilshire Blvd. From that point, we had a constant escort of about 15 cops. We cooperated with them in every way. The cops were virtually everywhere, on foot, bike, motorcycle and horseback.
Anyway, a few Middle Eastern men who were old enough to know better, came forward as a couple of our people were being interviewed by the media. While one of our group was being interviewed three older Middle Eastern men stood and chanted loudly ("Palestine will be free"-or something like that) in an attempt to drown out our guy's words. A few minutes later, another Middle aged Middle Eastern man came up to the interviewer while he was interviewing one of our group and asked, "Why are you talking to him?"
(Because in our country, we have free speech, something that moron would not know about.)
I was interviewed by an Asian reporter who asked me in broken English about my "judgement" in coming to this demonstration. He also asked if I felt threatened. I told him that I was there as an American who supported Israel, and no, I didn't feel threatened because I would never let those people intimidate me in my own country. (Somewhat jingoistic answer, I realize. I know I'll hear from Lance and Bryan on that.)
So we stood in our designated spot on Wilshire Blvd with our flags, a line of police separating us from the angry mob who kept chanting, and chanting, and chanting at us.
Actually, these people spent the entire afternoon chanting slogans-something the far left has always done because they cannot engage in intelligent dialogue. That was certainly the case today. I would venture that the guys and gals with bullhorns were professional agitators, you know, the "Socialist Coalition Against the Suppression of the Oppresed Peoples of the World" or something like that. (The event was sponsored by ANSWER-LA and the Free Palestine Alliance-whoever they are.)
On one occasion, as a Middle Eastern family was passing us on the sidewalk, Eric (who is Jewish), asked a toddler in the family to shake his hand. The confused youngster gave his hand to Eric and shook it until his father pulled him away giving a dirty look to Eric.
"Do not shake the hand of that Jew!" (He didn't say that, but if you can read faces, it was obvious.)
Also part of the party were the motorists who were passing by on the street most of whom were circling the block so they could honk their horns some more. Many of them were Middle Eastern and waving flags out the window. Some gave us the finger as they passed, and we laughed at them. Some shouted obscenities. One middle-aged Middle Eastern man rolled down his window and shouted, "F--- you!", and we laughed at him. Other motorists waved the peace sign and others gave us thumbs up. I did not witness this myself, but a lady in our group reported that at some point in the day, a Middle Eastern motorist yelled, "Go Hitler!" out the window.
(He's already gone, meathead.)
Meanwhile, Shane from Political Vindication had wandered away from us before the police herded us together and had made his way alone to the speaking stage, where he listened to one vile Middle Eastern speaker talking about the American weapons we had given Israel, and that "We" would never stop fighting "until the last Jew is out of Palestine". A few of the demonstrators were puzzled by Shane's t-shirt that read something about an infidel, but no real problems. I'll let Shane explain that part on Political Vindication. There were also cries of "Intifada" (Uprising). Nice.
Shortly before the grand march down Wilshire Blvd and into Westwood Village began, one doof actually scaled a light pole and climbed to the overhanging part over the street to try and hang his flag. He was arrested when he came down, which caused the crowd to chant, "Let him go. Let him go." According to a news report a couple of objects were thrown at police (I did not witness this), but "calm" was restored.
As the march started, the LAPD gathered us on the north side of Wilshire and had to block a mob of bad guys who tried to approach us. They began chanting at us (or should I say continued chanting because I don't know when they ever stopped.) We were directed to walk about 100 yards ahead of the demonstrators, which we did. However, about half-way through Westwood Village, it was obvious that we had been effectively removed from the demonstration. Great police tactics, but as bloggers, we wanted not only to show our support for Israel, but also to observe the march and report.
So being the old DEA agent that I am (was), I decided it was time to melt into the general public. I turned over my poster with the Israeli flag to one of the others and with another blogger, we wandered into a souvenir store and then a restaurant until the police had escorted our group on. We then sat and watched and filmed (I tried to film with my cellular, but I am just learning-nothing came out.)
I walked along the sidewalk as the crowd proceeded back to the original spot at the federal building. Unable to continue on Wilshire Blvd, your fearless reporter then relied on his detailed knowledge of the area. (I grew up there.) I took a side street that led into the rear of the federal building and before I knew it, I was directly behind the police line as the crowd tried to get to the entrance and were blocked by the police. It appeared that I was the only civilian there aside from a few plainclothes cops who paid me no heed. Just as I arrived, one young mope had been arrested, so the mob again began chanting, "Let him go", "Let him go". "No justice-no peace". "No justice, no peace." About 50 cops formed a line, nightsticks in hand. It looked like the cops were going to get in some "stick time" as we used to say in the MPs. But some of the marchers calmed down their hotheads, and order was restored as the crowd backed up and began to drift off as a few speakers finsihed off the days festivities.
Kudos to the LAPD for doing their job well today and protecting us well. There was a total of three arrests (none of our guys, of course).
Tomorrow, the good guys have their day. There will be a pro-Israel rally at the federal building. I must say, however, that I wished more of them had turned out today.
On the other hand, being so few in number, we got so much attention.
Congratulations, Gary. You've reduced a complex, centuries-old problem to something that's even less nuanced than your average Saturday morning cartoon.
ReplyDeleteGood guys and bad guys? Seriously?
Are you really trying to imply that Israel is completely innocent? That they have done NOTHING to create some of this hatred that's directed towards them? That everything would be hunky-dory if only the Palestinians didn't commit acts of terror?
And you have the nerve to accuse the far-left of only being able to speak in slogans?! PUH-lease!
The most telling part of this entry was the "Don't shake hands with that Jew!" part. Maybe it's just me, but I'd be pretty suspicious of ANY random stranger who walked up to my toddler to shake his hand. Why does that even necessarily have to be an anti-Semitic thing?
Maybe they should have let them riot and kill and maim. Then the media would have shown up. It is a pity that only 20 of you showed up, but most people have work or school. And if it was Saturday (Caterday to college students) then most of your supporters were in Shul.
ReplyDeleteGreat report Gary.
Enjoyed meeting you, thanks for being there with us.
ReplyDeleteLance,
ReplyDeleteIf you want to untangle the spaghetti of this issue (or turn it into spaghetti) go ahead. I have always said that there are shades of gray in the issue of who is entitled to that land. However, the palestinians lost me when they resorted to terror. They lost me when they danced on 9-11.
Look at it this way. The Israelis gave gaza away in 2005, right? No more Jews in Gaza, right? And what did they get in return? Rockets.
If Cuba started lobbing rockets into Miami what would you expect the US govt to do?
Since the Palestinians and their supporters in the ME only desire the destruction of Israel, I have chosen my side. And I do believe it is a fight between good and evil. Their fight is our fight because their enemies are also our enemies.
However, the palestinians lost me when they resorted to terror. They lost me when they danced on 9-11.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is where you lose me. Every single Palestinian resorts to terror and danced on 9/11? What about all of those dead children who weren't even BORN yet on 9/11? Are you going to post any photos of crying Palestinian children who lost their parents on your blog? Their parents are just as dead, and they are just as innocent.
Look at it this way. The Israelis gave gaza away in 2005, right? No more Jews in Gaza, right? And what did they get in return? Rockets.
And that's all there is to this then? Again, you reduce this to such a simple problem. Maybe I'm just strange, but the world that I live in is far more complicated than that.
If Cuba started lobbing rockets into Miami what would you expect the US govt to do?
Considering the Bush Administration's track record, I suspect that we'd invade Haiti or maybe Jamaica. I'm not sure enough about Obama's just yet.
But still, this isn't THAT simple either. Like I said, it's so funny that you accuse liberals of only being able to speak in catch phrases, but this whole analogy is one that reverberates through the conservative echo chamber. Shoot, The Daily Show showed a whole bit with different people in the media doing variations on the same analogy. Yawn! Got anything new?
Since the Palestinians and their supporters in the ME only desire the destruction of Israel, I have chosen my side. And I do believe it is a fight between good and evil.
As I stated in my own blog, I've chosen a side too - the human race. I'm for any solution that leads to less killing, and this current one seems to be the latest in keeping the cycle of violence going - and all we're going to end with are more dead Israelis and A LOT more dead Palestinians.
And I too believe that evil is a factor in this. I believe that the terrorists who are bombing Israel are evil, and I think that Israel is playing right into their hands, as they don't care who dies so long as the bloodshed continues.
Lance,
ReplyDeleteNobody is happy about the loss of innocent civilian life. Keep in mind that the Israelis go to great lengths ro prevent that. When did you ever hear of an army calling ahead and warning civilians to claer out of a location before the missiles struck? Hamas on the other hand, not only deliberately targets civilians, but goes to lengths to put their civilians right in the line of fire so they can show the world's media their dead. Why do you think they set up their rockets on civilian sites?
Fouse- Look at it this way. The Israelis gave gaza away in 2005, right? No more Jews in Gaza, right? And what did they get in return? Rockets.
Lance-"And that's all there is to this then? Again, you reduce this to such a simple problem. Maybe I'm just strange, but the world that I live in is far more complicated than that."
Was there a refutation in there?
Fouse- If Cuba started lobbing rockets into Miami what would you expect the US govt to do?
Lance- Considering the Bush Administration's track record, I suspect that we'd invade Haiti or maybe Jamaica. I'm not sure enough about Obama's just yet.
Ok forget Bush and Haiti. President Fouse would invade Cuba. period.
Lance, I know you want peace, and for this conflict to end. Everyone does, but do you really think the other side wants peace? Surely, many Palestiana and Arabs want peace, but they are not calling the shots. The fact is that the end goal is the destruction of Israel. Hamas especially, states that in their charter.
By the way, with all the chants we heard yesterday, we never once heard the word "peace" mentioned by anyone in that crowd.
What they want is for world opinion to force Israel to stop fighting. They, however, will never stop fighting.
Lance, like I have said before, it is 1938, and we are all in Munich.
Lance, like I have said before, it is 1938, and we are all in Munich.
ReplyDeleteI was pretty much with you until you came to that analogy. It simply doesn't pass the logic test, and we need to start finding new moments in history to compare things to, as the Nazi thing is getting old.
If Hamas was more powerful than Israel, then you'd have something to work with there.
Great Job Gary, Shane, and all of you true patriots. We did not come out yesterday, as it was shabbat, and we needed to work on getting a huge crowd today, which we did. We were with you in spirit, and glad you got the attention. Let the drek rot in their own personal hell. We have a lot to do, and I thank you so much for your great blog, and Shanes too!
ReplyDeleteAllyson Rowen Taylor
Thank you, Allyson. Glad to0 know you had a good turnout today.
ReplyDeleteLance,
ReplyDeleteYou are so wrong. Hitler could never have achieved what he did had the forces of righteousness stood up to him prior to 1939.
The fact is that Israel is standing almost alone in the world because too many are afraid to incur the wrath of the Arab world.
It is moral cowardice.
The "Nazi thing" as a lesson in history will never get old.
Thank u guys. We really appreciate your support.
ReplyDeleteWatch short movie from Sunday
http://picasaweb.google.com/talinisim/09012RallywithArabs#5290276153993770562
Well, as I said before, I don't see this as simply a battle between "righteousness" and "evil". It's too complicated for that.
ReplyDeleteAnd no offense, but I'm starting to get the feeling that the Nazi era is the only part of history that you know. Surely there's a better, more fitting example than that.
Lance,
ReplyDeleteThe part that is complicated to me is figuring out the historical connections over the centuries of both groups to the land under dispute (though Jordan's part has been conveniently ignored).
What is not complicated is the tactic used by Israel's enemies to try and wipe out the Jewish nation. As I said before, when you resort to terror, I don't much care what your argument is.
And I do think the Nazi analogy is apropriate when discussing international islamic terror and Jihad. We are dealing with the nazis of the 21st century in my view. What analogy would you prefer?
Actually, I am also well informed about the histories of the Cubs and Steelers.
What analogy would you prefer?
ReplyDeleteI've always been a fan of anybody who can make a Vercingetorix reference.
Actually, I am also well informed about the histories of the Cubs and Steelers.
I don't know much about that. I could probably give you a Green Lantern analogy though. (That's comic book superhero talk, in case you couldn't deduce that for yourself.)