tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post7163079532976633328..comments2024-03-24T21:06:57.039-07:00Comments on FOUSESQUAWK: University in London May Shut Down its Pubs. Guess WhyGary Fousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17014739065121483409noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-78283989932748941032012-04-13T18:25:40.982-07:002012-04-13T18:25:40.982-07:00"But where do we draw the line-on cocaine, ls..."But where do we draw the line-on cocaine, lsd, heroin, meth?"<br /><br />Why is allowing marijuana a gateway to these things but alcohol isn't? Alcohol is far more harmful than marijuana anyway.<br /><br />But again, so what if people smoke pot in order to get high? Unless you can prove that it's harming somebody else, then you are being the exact same kind of person you complained about in the original post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-30533099281992878942012-04-13T18:23:40.636-07:002012-04-13T18:23:40.636-07:00Anonymous,
I don't think it is so much conser...Anonymous,<br /><br />I don't think it is so much conservative or liberal, but libertarian. I think libertarians have a lot of good ideas and a lot of bad ideas. Drug legalization is a bad idea.<br /><br />Here is an interesting question that gets into all three philosophies. If a government can pass intrusive laws for the "common good" (like more taxes and govt. health care), can it pass drug laws for the "common good"?<br /><br />Interesting debate.Gary Fousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17014739065121483409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-66363968036992026882012-04-13T18:19:17.607-07:002012-04-13T18:19:17.607-07:00You raise a good argument about alcohol, a subject...You raise a good argument about alcohol, a subject with which I am intimately familiar. We tried prohibition, and it didn't work. I could argue that responsible people do not drink for the purpose of getting drunk (high) while everyone who lights up a joint is trying to get high, but I realize that argument only goes so far. But where do we draw the line-on cocaine, lsd, heroin, meth?Gary Fousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17014739065121483409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-6121514503718726412012-04-13T17:41:41.834-07:002012-04-13T17:41:41.834-07:00Different Anonymous jumping in here: pot is a harm...Different Anonymous jumping in here: pot is a harmful substance but alcohol isn't?<br /><br />Families of drunk-driving victims or those who have died of liver failure might disagree...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-20171198043943286832012-04-13T16:39:32.413-07:002012-04-13T16:39:32.413-07:00I am not trying to get you to defend your position...I am not trying to get you to defend your positions on these issues. What I'm saying is that both of these causes are generally taken up by liberals, and they would argue for them using the same statement you made about letting people do what they want so long as they don't harm others.<br /><br />Maybe words like "liberal" and "conservative" don't really mean all that much in today's political climate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-38656409173862838982012-04-13T13:32:12.577-07:002012-04-13T13:32:12.577-07:00Legalizing pot is a long convoluted subject. I opp...Legalizing pot is a long convoluted subject. I oppose it because it is a harmful substance as I oppose other illegal drugs. At some point society has a right to try and stop our country from becoming a nation of zombies. I don't believe in jailing drug users, rather I support prosecuting traffickers of drugs-including pot.<br /><br />As for gay marriage,it's also a long subject. At this point, I really don't care. I think we have more important issues to deal with. I do think we should think and discuss this carefully before we turn a 5,000 year old custom upside down. It seems inevitable, so maybe it is time to move on.<br /><br />I'm glad you know liberals who despise political correctness, but it is liberals who gave us PC.Gary Fousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17014739065121483409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-28443622205188771652012-04-13T10:54:31.740-07:002012-04-13T10:54:31.740-07:00"Letting people do what they want as long as ..."Letting people do what they want as long as they don't hurt others is a conservative point of view."<br /><br />So legalizing pot and allowing gays to marry are conservative points of view now? They fit that description. (Maybe the first one is if you're a Ron Paul supporter, I suppose.)<br /><br />"Cutting down on people's freedoms to please a particular group-like Muslims in this case-is a liberal point of view."<br /><br />If anything, it's politically correct, and the people I know whom you would call "liberals" despise political correctness and would not support this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-89912212438778096462012-04-13T06:52:49.032-07:002012-04-13T06:52:49.032-07:00Carrie Nation would have been proud.
Was she a li...Carrie Nation would have been proud.<br /><br />Was she a liberal, a conservative, or just an evangelical Christian on a mission? (Time was the Methodists would have expelled Gary for his drinking). <br /><br />There are "conservative" philosophies that are quite antithetical to letting people do what they want as long as they don't hurt others. "Conservatives" denounced <i>Lawrence v. Texas</i> for example, although gays have become really popular on such circles, since it turns out Muslims hang them. There is nothing "liberal" about"Cutting down on people's freedoms to please a particular group." Gary, do you EVER read history of anything prior to the 21st century?<br /><br />Britain could do with about ten years of Prohibition, just based on how they all booze and vomit.<br /><br />But as a libertarian, I agree that Muslim students are no more entitled to have all the pubs closed than American Christians are entitled to have the play "Corpus Christi" banned. Still, we are talking about the empire here, not the former colonies.Siarlys Jenkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15083839117838391267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-10510284138842577502012-04-12T21:40:46.092-07:002012-04-12T21:40:46.092-07:00How dare they call themselves British? No beer? ...How dare they call themselves British? No beer? They are not British by any standards.Findalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881549378886491540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-91866987158797799442012-04-12T20:31:12.016-07:002012-04-12T20:31:12.016-07:00News flash for you. Letting people do what they wa...News flash for you. Letting people do what they want as long as they don't hurt others is a conservative point of view.<br /><br />Cutting down on people's freedoms to please a particular group-like Muslims in this case-is a liberal point of view.Gary Fousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17014739065121483409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-59549946373628072192012-04-12T18:26:13.442-07:002012-04-12T18:26:13.442-07:00Not at all. But banning alcohol in a university i...Not at all. But banning alcohol in a university is more of a conservative position than it is a liberal one - if you use the actual definitions of the words instead of conservatism being things you like and liberalism being things you don't like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-7430657088612190542012-04-12T16:03:09.324-07:002012-04-12T16:03:09.324-07:00What do you think conservatives don't drink?What do you think conservatives don't drink?Gary Fousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17014739065121483409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-59324506101124457.post-81265001240022223292012-04-12T14:13:23.666-07:002012-04-12T14:13:23.666-07:00Two things:
1. The article said that they're...Two things:<br /><br />1. The article said that they're "considering" it - not that they have done it or are going to do it.<br /><br />2. Closing down a pub on campus is "liberal"? Sounds pretty conservative to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com